tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post1735382070344291720..comments2024-03-28T08:40:23.164-05:00Comments on Guitar Ted Productions: 650B Gravel Bikes: Are They Mountain Bikes Too?Guitar Tedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10960580677548417562noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-54452231306569670422017-06-01T11:24:28.789-05:002017-06-01T11:24:28.789-05:00Thanks a lot. It's hard to cut through the cha...Thanks a lot. It's hard to cut through the chatter with these new bike developments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-87464432526151518152017-05-31T22:37:05.321-05:002017-05-31T22:37:05.321-05:00@PukeSkywalker- Anything with 29"er wheels wi...@PukeSkywalker- Anything with 29"er wheels will eat up more level terrain and anything rough leaving the 650B bikes a bit off the back. Where I feel 650B X 47+ sized rubber really comes into its own is where someone is looking to fit big rubber on a 700c bike that maybe maxes out at 40mm tires in 700c. Or maybe you are shorter than 5ft 6 inches and want puffy tires with reasonably close to classic geometry.<br /><br />I am of the mind to say that anyone should run the largest diameter wheels that work for them. As long as geometry isn't compromised and the weight isn't ridiculous, I stick to that simple maxim for most bicycling pursuits.Guitar Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10960580677548417562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-37757911719506778692017-05-31T19:14:59.308-05:002017-05-31T19:14:59.308-05:00How do you feel about bikes like the Fargo vs. the...How do you feel about bikes like the Fargo vs. these 650b CX bikes? You seem to have a lot of drop-bar MTBs... and I'm in the market for one. But as a newbie I don't want to completely limit myself too muchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-44198138951827072772017-03-21T22:34:36.494-05:002017-03-21T22:34:36.494-05:00@Smithhammer-Your points are well known, and not u...@Smithhammer-Your points are well known, and not unexpected to me. I am not saying you are wrong. I am taking issue with the presumption by marketers that by merely allowing for the fitment of a 650b knobby tire in 2 inch or slightly wider width the bike will be (a) useful to the majority of folks who buy such a bike because it is the wrong tool for the job (mtb) and (b) the likelihood of swapping wheels/tires for most consumers is low, at best.<br /><br />That's my opinion.<br /><br />I am saying it is pure marketing BS. <br /><br />You are correct in that much of the rest of what I addressed in regard to your comment previously is an entirely different discussion. But then- you did bring that up. ;>)Guitar Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10960580677548417562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-4717896354281233232017-03-21T21:55:18.700-05:002017-03-21T21:55:18.700-05:00@GT - my comments are in reference to the potentia...@GT - my comments are in reference to the potential usefulness of the concept, when it is executed well (of which examples exist). And while one could make the argument that what "pays the bills" is one metric of that, the latter also introduces a whole host of other variables beyond my point, and is a different discussion.<br /><br />The accuracy of the term "do it all rig" is entirely dependent on what "all" one wants to do. To call BS on what usefulness someone else may or may not find in such a bike seems more than a bit presumptuous. Honestly, I can't say that I see a lot of marketing (if any) out there claiming that such a bike will cover what a Santa Cruz Tallboy or a Salsa Pony Rustler will do....Smithhammerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01771440476655478031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-76235015787840499342017-03-21T21:13:05.860-05:002017-03-21T21:13:05.860-05:00Lol! Here is the proof of your pudding! Gravel bik...Lol! Here is the proof of your pudding! Gravel bike?? LOL!! Good one Pinarello!! <br /><br />http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/reviews/tested-pinarello-gan-gr-s?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_term=838636354&utm_campaign=Bicycling#product-1360541youcancallmeAlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578252140097961816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-19395951773042598022017-03-21T18:19:33.006-05:002017-03-21T18:19:33.006-05:00As someone that abhors the concept of a "quiv...As someone that abhors the concept of a "quiver" whether it be related to skiing, biking, playing an instrument, surfing or any number of other activities, I am a fan of this kind of bikeyoucancallmeAlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578252140097961816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-24084203955193628172017-03-21T16:57:10.967-05:002017-03-21T16:57:10.967-05:00I played with the idea of having my cyclocross bik...I played with the idea of having my cyclocross bike be a rigid XC bike. I have 27.5x2 tires on there and primarily I like them because I can run them at 40-60 psi and have it not be harsh or squirmy (I'm 360lbs so that's a thing). I've gotten into riding trails and despite my bike having quasi-XC geo, the rigid fork and the limited tire clearance can only do so much. It's the only bike I can afford to keep up at this point so what else can I do?dkris2020https://www.blogger.com/profile/15785762550529666402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-76230172058898839222017-03-21T16:25:20.644-05:002017-03-21T16:25:20.644-05:00@Smithhammer- Your line, "The most interestin...@Smithhammer- Your line, "The most interesting things tend to happen not at the center, but at the edges...", while maybe true, doesn't pay the bills. So, I would submit to you that these brands coming out with these bikes, which I am referring to and are definitely not custom, one-off, NAHBS rigs, are subtly nudging the idea out there, (and some not so subtly), that this is the mainstream rider's "do-it-all" rig. I am calling BS. <br /><br />@Doug Mayer, @Roger Kummert - While it may be true that the knobby 650B tire would allow for the occasional foray in to mtb-land, are you actually going to burn up those tires on everything else, or want to turn that sort of tire the other 85%-90% of the time you are not on mtb-like trails? Maybe you would.<br /><br />My thinking is that in reality people are going to "underbike" more than "overbike" a rig like this. What I mean is that they are either going to run typical gravel-ish 700c fare, or wider 650B, smoother tread/no tread tires all the time and just accept that when they explore the dirt and single track that they are not on the best tool for the job. Less fuss and you don't have to worry about two sets of wheels. Guitar Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10960580677548417562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-25277656945128528672017-03-21T14:05:27.160-05:002017-03-21T14:05:27.160-05:00Executed poorly, this sort of attempt at hybridiza...Executed poorly, this sort of attempt at hybridization can be underwhelming, and not particularly adept at either realm. Such is always the risk when trying to spread the capabilities of anything too thin. And no, of course, it's not going to perform the same as an aggressive MTB designed for truly technical terrain. I have yet to see anyone really claiming that. <br /><br />BUT....there are parts of the country where the lines between 'gravel' and 'mountain' are not so clearly and conveniently drawn, where these two realms actually exist in the same place, and where a well-designed bike, capable of handling dirt/gravel roads reasonably well and efficiently enough, while also able to cross onto at least moderate trails (or truly primitive, rough backroads) most definitely has a definite place. Just look at the 'monstercross' phenom - a spectrum of loosely defined attempts at arriving at a mountain/gravel bike that fits the above description. Many of these iterations are quite capable. And the number of individual riders building up these types of bikes from scratch, along with the increasing number of builders starting to offer them, like this suggests that I'm far from alone in this opinion.<br /><br />The best examples of this niche, imo, point at one of the more fertile and exciting areas of development in modern bike design. But maybe my opinion is somewhat formed by where I live, where I can find the usefulness of such a rig right out my front door.<br /><br />I don't know why do we get so hung up on these strict definitions and categories anyway...except that it makes for good blog fodder. The most interesting things tend to happen not at the center, but at the edges...Smithhammerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01771440476655478031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-50884076079751777302017-03-21T12:36:04.762-05:002017-03-21T12:36:04.762-05:00A wider tire is the last thing you want to run if ...A wider tire is the last thing you want to run if there is even the least bit of possibility of mud.blooddoc23https://www.blogger.com/profile/04100867181336267718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-79130262789552405482017-03-21T09:05:14.072-05:002017-03-21T09:05:14.072-05:00I agree with you GT. If you are out for a ride on ...I agree with you GT. If you are out for a ride on one of these yes you can run some single track if that fits into your ride but I would not go out on one of these with friends riding mountain bikes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17548191934939346460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-76487475108726588732017-03-21T08:44:57.869-05:002017-03-21T08:44:57.869-05:00I had a custom gravel/dirt rando bike made to acce...I had a custom gravel/dirt rando bike made to accept a 27.5 x 2.2" MTB tires and road width cranks. Not even close to a substitute for a real MTB, but it opens up some fun opportunities on occasion.Doug M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05970058264292260252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-35034984850697612282017-03-21T07:11:44.471-05:002017-03-21T07:11:44.471-05:00@phillip Cowan- I see the resemblance as well, so ...@phillip Cowan- I see the resemblance as well, so I would agree with you there. When someone pushes forth a "flat bar version", we will all have a good chuckle! Guitar Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10960580677548417562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-56714191097057544332017-03-21T05:54:25.370-05:002017-03-21T05:54:25.370-05:00Am I the only one who thinks these bikes are evolv...Am I the only one who thinks these bikes are evolving back into the rigid framed, NORBA geometry mountain bikes of the late 80's? Cool! I already have an '89 Trek 950 that I'm still quite fond of. I guess I'll be ahead of the curve.Phillip Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01553979458131339924noreply@blogger.com