tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post3316917477727810701..comments2024-03-28T08:40:23.164-05:00Comments on Guitar Ted Productions: New Tire Day For Gen IGuitar Tedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10960580677548417562noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-70149332130571191812017-04-26T11:29:45.176-05:002017-04-26T11:29:45.176-05:00Derek, these are 25-622, 700x25 Schwalbe Pro One t...Derek, these are 25-622, 700x25 Schwalbe Pro One tires, Schwalbe number 11600809 as shown here. Micro Skin, TL Easy, Evolution line. Made in Indonesia.<br /><br />https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/racing_tires/pro-one<br /><br />The tires are mounted tubeless with approx. 30ml of Stan's sealant on a set of older Stan's Alpha 340 700c road rims. I was able to install both tires on the rim by hand and inflate them to 100psi using a 30 year old floor pump and soapy water. I let them sit overnight without sealant and they both lost only 4psi. Then I deflated them and took them off the wheels to see just how difficult it would be to deal with a flat roadside. I used one plastic tire lever. All in all they were no more difficult than any tubed clincher. They were then remounted with ease and I added the sealant. So far, the tires, running them at 70f/75r, have been some of the most comfortable that I've used, better than Conti 4000 with latex tubes and I think even better than the Clement 32mm tubed MSO. Is there a difference between the Stan's road rims and their mountain rims that allows the Alpha/Schwalbe combo to work? I don't know. I'm becoming convinced that you simply have to try a combo to see if it works. In general I agree with GT that you should be able to fix a roadside flat without excessive difficulty. No one wants to be stranded far from home. OTOH if you're racing cross then a tight fit may not be a problem.<br /><br />Jebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03039265581202925868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-2529466233546132152017-04-26T05:42:29.118-05:002017-04-26T05:42:29.118-05:00@Jim - Agree about the difficulty of good informat...@Jim - Agree about the difficulty of good information. As I wrote, I'm a newbie to the tubeless world. Since we are trying to improve on the info side, exactly which size & version of Pro 1 tires did you mount? I think your Alpha 340 are a 700c rim, correct?Derekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14475155788128587287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-17888508287660363642017-04-25T17:13:35.104-05:002017-04-25T17:13:35.104-05:00Oops! The wheels in the Road Bike Review article a...Oops! The wheels in the Road Bike Review article are Stan's Iron Cross, not Grails. I should get a set of Iron Cross wheels to go with my Origin8 CX700 cast iron frame. Well, it feels like cast iron.Jebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03039265581202925868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-87599566448505749812017-04-25T12:58:12.731-05:002017-04-25T12:58:12.731-05:00Those Honalis look like car tires! Enjoyed the pos...Those Honalis look like car tires! Enjoyed the post.blooddoc23https://www.blogger.com/profile/04100867181336267718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-44753461262027133222017-04-25T09:21:22.573-05:002017-04-25T09:21:22.573-05:00Thanks for this post. One thing about tubeless tha...Thanks for this post. One thing about tubeless that still causes some fear for riders (me included) is the old idea of "burping" which **I think** happens when the tire-rim seal isn't good and/or when the sidewall on the tire is too flexy, because it's a conventional clincher tire. (Correct me if I'm wrong on this!) I picked up Stans Iron Cross wheels for an incredible price deal and this is my first tubeless experience. I didn't want to chance running conventional clinchers as tubeless on it for fear of burping or sloppy feel from weak sidewalls. I put Clement MSO 36c tubeless on. They fit pretty tight, as you said. They ride great. I can get them on/off with a lever, not by hand. I feel OK about it but it would be hell to stick a tube in there in an emergency and then mount with a lever. How would I not pinch that tube? I want to carry a spare clincher just in case, which is ridiculous. I am debating whether to sell the Stans and get something else for the long term, but it's too much $$ at the moment. Really, I wanted WTB rims, I just couldn't resist the used deal I found.Derekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14475155788128587287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-54183400795332185662017-04-25T06:05:47.567-05:002017-04-25T06:05:47.567-05:00@Jim Bogue; See, I knew it!
No matter what I wrot...@Jim Bogue; See, I knew it!<br /><br />No matter what I wrote in the post, someone was going to post a comment saying "Stan;s works with "such-and-such" tires.........<br /><br />Look at your comment carefully. Especially this line from Stan's, supposedly, "Some WTB tires, mostly the TCS versions of some of their tires, fit tightly on our rims"<br /><br />Translation: "Don't use TCS tires on Stan's because those tires were designed to fit tubeless designed rims that are closer to UST dimensions, not Stan's, which is designed to fit all the NON-TUBELESS WTB DESIGN TIRES."<br /><br />Again- YOU CAN MOUNT TUBELESS DESIGN TIRES TO STAN'S,if you try hard enough. Heck, you can mount a 700c tire to a 27"/630ISO rim too, but should you? <br /><br />I get it folks. I seriously get it. However; it isn't the best fit, or field serviceable in many instances, a subject Stan's comment you posted doesn't even touch upon. As the Stan's comment states in reference to mounting tires on their rims, "As long as you're able get them(tubeless design tires)on, they will work just fine" seems to me to be a self-serving comment to using Stan's rims. It isn't in the rider's best interest to barely be able to get a tire on a Stan's rim ,in my opinion. <br /><br /> If you want to have peace of mind that you can fix any issue in the field if something happens to your tires, it would pay to stick to a set up that you can install by hand. <br /><br />I apologize for such a long reply, but it seems necessary to reiterate my points again in light of the comment here. Guitar Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10960580677548417562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-41299117185990871062017-04-25T05:43:30.962-05:002017-04-25T05:43:30.962-05:00I agree with everything you're saying about tu...I agree with everything you're saying about tubeless tire fit. That said, I have an older set of Stan's Crest 29er wheels which I'd like to set up tubeless with a tubeless ready tire. I'm picking up a set of Panaracer 43mm GKSK and I'm hoping they work with the Stan's. FWIW I emailed Stan's and asked if the WTB Riddler 45mm tires would work with the Crests. Here's the answer.<br /><br />The short answer is, yes those tires are compatible with those Crest rims. <br />Some WTB tires, mostly the TCS versions of some of their tires, fit tightly on our rims. We have found some to be tight enough that they can be extremely difficult to mount on our rims which is why we started recommended against them. It's not a matter of compatibility with our rims, just difficulty mounting them. As long as you're able to get them on, they will work just fine. <br />Most of those issues were with some of the older tire models and has seem to be less of a problem with their more recent tires, in the last year or so. If these are a newer set of tires then it is certainly worth a shot mounting them.<br /><br />It does make it difficult trying to decide what to buy. Thanks for all the good info.Jebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03039265581202925868noreply@blogger.com