tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post4046722415652683937..comments2024-03-28T08:40:23.164-05:00Comments on Guitar Ted Productions: Jones Carbon Loop H-BarGuitar Tedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10960580677548417562noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-28281667007261229812020-02-16T15:14:45.158-05:002020-02-16T15:14:45.158-05:00Thank you for taking the time to read my post and ...Thank you for taking the time to read my post and comment back! I very much appreciate it.<br /><br />I don't think I'd ever pieced it together as well as you have. I've always marveled at how the H-Bars helped on one particularly steep gravel hill by our house where I always stay seated on the Big Dummy. I've never felt like I could comfortably stand up to climb. The Dummy's length accentuates this need to stay seated to keep the rear end weighted and the sweep of the Jones Bars kind of encourages you to keep your weight behind the axis of the front wheel. <br /><br />This all makes sense to me now!<br /><br />You've consolidated everything I think I was mulling subconsciously, but couldn't quite piece together. Thank you!<br /><br />I'll have to check out the BarYak setups. . .They may be the solution I've been looking for!Stud Beefpilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05140383643894238225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-60406290333896239572020-02-16T13:14:38.500-05:002020-02-16T13:14:38.500-05:00@Stud Beefpile - I would think that how you set th...@Stud Beefpile - I would think that how you set the Jones Bar up is going to tell the tale. This plus how you typically climb. First, the set up.<br /><br />The Jones Bar is going to give you a couple hand positions behind the axis of the steer tube. This will un-weight the front wheel more. A Longer stem could mitigate this a bit. Also, keep in mind the hand positions ahead of the steering axis place your hands closer together. Okay- now on to riding style.<br /><br />In my mind, a seated climber gets more out of a Jones Bar on steep climbs. A rider out of the saddle loses due to the narrower hand positions. <br /><br />Flat bars have less hand positions, but are far better, again in my opinion, for standing climbs up steep terrain. More hand positions can be added with bar end extensions or with aero bars. Another great product that works well for bike packing is the Bar Yak system. <br /><br />Hope that helps.Guitar Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10960580677548417562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-70794535271960117622020-02-16T11:53:55.342-05:002020-02-16T11:53:55.342-05:00I have a somewhat long-winded preface to get to my...I have a somewhat long-winded preface to get to my question. . .<br /><br />I have a set of Jones Loop H-Bars on a Surly Big Dummy and love them for that. We live in NE Kansas and I ride gravel back roads. . . I'm sold on the H-Bar for these uses. Width and multitude of hand positions are awesome on steep and loose gravel roads.<br /><br />We're signed up to do the San Juan hut-to-huts this coming summer in SW Colorado/central Utah, and I was considering swapping in a Jones H-Bar to have a little extra room to haul some of the supplies they recommend packing, but was wondering how you think these would work for steep and technical singletrack ascents and descents. These would be put on a (suspension forked) Surly Krampus that I run with flat bars currently. My concern is that the sweep will complicate front-to-back body positioning on what I'm anticipating will involve some pretty technical singletrack over rocky and rooted trails.<br /><br />Do you think these would offer an advantage in terms of comfort and cargo capacity (for a week-long light bikepacking trip in the Rockies) without being a handling hindrance? Would the advantage be worth swapping from the (stock) flat bar I currently have?<br /><br />Thank you in advance!Stud Beefpilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05140383643894238225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-54676078179720672222016-11-22T18:41:43.486-05:002016-11-22T18:41:43.486-05:00@Tim Dufka: The stem is the stock Salsa stem which...@Tim Dufka: The stem is the stock Salsa stem which was spec'ed on the size Large Blackborow DS. So that's a 90mm stem and is a 15° rise. (According to Salsa's spec) The frame is a Large. I am 6'1" and my cycling inseam is 34".<br /><br />I wouldn't change the stem at this point and I don't see a reason that I would ever want to yet. I may end up getting a pair of cork grips at some point for a bit better ergonomic fit to the hand than what I have. Probably cheap Dimension ones. Other than this, I do not foresee any changes. <br /><br />Guitar Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10960580677548417562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-89174293313948457262016-11-22T18:21:20.167-05:002016-11-22T18:21:20.167-05:00Hi Ted, Could you share the length and rise of the...Hi Ted, Could you share the length and rise of the stem are you using? Could you also share your frame size and your height/inseam?<br /><br />Would you make any changes to this now that you have ridden; e.g. go shorter on the stem?the_elevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00983032430770773793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-22361115436279376322016-11-08T09:05:35.977-05:002016-11-08T09:05:35.977-05:00I ran a Jones on my Blackborrow until I crashed an...I ran a Jones on my Blackborrow until I crashed and bent it. It took some getting used to, for sure, but it really grew on me. One of the biggest mistakes I see when people try out a Jones bar (or a number of other 'alt' bars) is that they don't spend enough time with it before deciding it doesn't work for them. If one is used to a flat bar, it's going to take a while for the body to become accustomed to the differences of a Jones bar, and to get over the unfortunate but prevalent pre-conception that a Jones bar is "fine for mellow riding, but doesn't work for technical mtn. biking." <br /><br />I currently have a Jones on my ECR and love it, and the Answer 20/20 bar on my Blackborrow and Hayduke. The Answer is slightly wider and has 20º sweep. I have also noticed the same things with cold conductivity with an alloy bar vs. a carbon bar for winter riding. And since my Blacborrow is now largely just a winter bike for me, I doubt I'd ever put an alloy bar on it again. One of these days I will splurge on a carbon or ti Jones bar...<br /><br />I'd also second the rec about the Banana Hammock bag - I have been using one for the last year as well, and it's a great bag. Smithhammerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01771440476655478031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-82410439018510742022016-11-08T00:50:48.567-05:002016-11-08T00:50:48.567-05:00I ride the Jones Loop bar on my Gen 1 Fargo, and t...I ride the Jones Loop bar on my Gen 1 Fargo, and the versatility for mixed all-terrain and forest road riding, and touring, is amazing. Most comfortable set of bars I have ever had. As for bags on the interior of the loop, the Jones bag is a nice one, but I opted for a Barfly "Banana Hammock" bag, padded and reinforced. It fits perfectly. It appears to now be done by Broad Fork Bags, http://www.broadforkbags.com/store/p5/Jones_Banana_Hammock.html <br /><br />tntmorivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09419649998953602654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-86742370021095343942016-11-07T09:07:33.043-05:002016-11-07T09:07:33.043-05:00@james- You have the right idea. Jones Bars and fl...@james- You have the right idea. Jones Bars and flared drops all are trying to make it so that tension in your muscles of the upper shoulder, torso, and arms are more relaxed. This also presents a more ergonomic positioning of the hands, wrists, and arms, in terms of alignment, so overall, you get a more comfortable riding position.<br /><br />The interesting thing is that you do not lose control or maneuverability. It feels different, for sure, but I have found that keeping the bike going where you want it to go is still easy to do with the Jones design. It isn't everyone's cup of tea, but it does work for me. Guitar Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10960580677548417562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12831567.post-39408875912157530572016-11-07T08:50:50.284-05:002016-11-07T08:50:50.284-05:00It seems with that bar, to keep alignment with you...It seems with that bar, to keep alignment with your wrist to forarm, your elbows would tuck in closer to the body. Is that the Case? <br />I struggle with shoulder issues and the 'elbows out' riding get style that is common with flat bars exasperates the problem. jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17008921681570733023noreply@blogger.com