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Thursday, September 08, 2016

How To Choose Your First Fat Bike: What To Look For

Obviously- You should be looking for the fat tires to make sure you're getting a "fat bike".
When it comes to checking out what is available in fat bikes, things can get a bit overwhelming. There are different width tires, different "axle standards", and there are even front suspended and fully suspended models to choose from. There are steel frames, aluminum frames, and high zoot, carbon and titanium frames out there. What do you do?

Obviously, price can and will be a factor in your decision. Most folks are going to automatically exclude many choices immediately based upon prices. There are different choices to be made here and maybe some that are not fat bikes, so I am going to defer writing about this subject until my next post where I will discuss the various price points and choices within them.

What I am going to do now is list things that you might look for and why in terms of checking out fat bikes. Here's a bullet point list-
  • The Tires: Generally, "fat bikes" start out at 3.8"-4.0" tires and then wider. There are not a lot of "in between" tires until you get to 4.6" or so and then there are several really fat tire choices from there till you get to the current fattest size of just over 5 inches wide! Think of width in terms of XC skiing or snow shoeing. Wider is better for heavier folks. Most folks will be just fine on 3.8"-4.0" tires though. If you never see yourself doing anything off trail, or in deeper, unpacked snow, just stick with the 4.0"ers. 
  • The Frames: Steel, aluminum, or carbon? Titanium? Can you even feel the difference with those crazy fat tires? Yes. Yes you can, oddly enough. Steel and titanium are going to yield a different ride than aluminum, and carbon is another level altogether. For most folks, an aluminum or steel frame will end up being fine. What is most important is how the frame is equipped and its geometry, which will be covered in my post on prices and what you get for your money.
  • Suspension? Really? Yes......really. It makes sense when you think about it. A fat bike tire, while having some give, or suspension, of its own, does not have damping. That quality of controlled rebound is called damping. Think of a basket ball. You toss it down to the floor, and it bounces off the floor. Fat bike tires are similar. They want to bounce back off the trail. Tires not connected to the ground are not a good thing for control and stability at high speed. That's where suspension forks and rear suspension comes in. If you are going to pursue "real mountain biking" with fat tires, you probably should look into a suspended fat bike. Riding just for adventure and fun? Pass the suspension by, as it adds significantly to the costs up front and is higher maintenance. 

Fat bike full suspension bikes are great for trail riding at speed.
  • Weight: The cheaper you go, the heavier the bike, to an extent. Really inexpensive fat bikes, like those at the department stores, can weigh in excess of 50 pounds! Typically, a "bike shop" purchased fat bike will weigh somewhere in the 30's for weight. High end, carbon fiber framed fat bikes can weigh as little as 23-24 pounds, but will cost $3,000.00-$6,000.00 or more. Most folks will end up with something in the 30-ish pound weight category which isn't outlandish and is really easy to handle. 
  • Intentions and Use: You should examine your intentions and expectations. If you desire a bike that will go through the sloppiest mud, deepest snow, and be able to shake off any nasty tumbles, you'll need to spend more bucks to get that in a fat bike that will last. If you are thinking that you just want to get out and ride all year, maybe do some light trail riding and commuting/recreational rides in inclement conditions or on loose rock, sand, or snow, an entry level bike should do that. Choose wisely. 
  • Features: Likewise, features will either add to, or in their absence, take away from your overall experience. Rack mounts will be important for some, but not all fat bikes have them. Suspension, as mentioned above, can be added to some bikes, but not all. Tubeless tires are an option for many fat bikes, and you may want that, but not all are easily compatible with that type of tire set up. Kickstands.......really? Do we even need to say that you just do not put a kickstand on a fat bike unless it is one of those beach cruiser deals. Maybe then. Really, just don't expect a kickstand. 
  • Miscellaneous: Trek and one other company do 27.5" diameter based fat bikes. Don't worry too much about that. Those have a marginally different ride quality that won't translate to beginners. They are great bikes though. Then you have the axle standards. Again- If you are a beginner, and just getting into it, don't get all caught up in this. One caveat: Through axles are going to be a better deal than quick releases, but for the recreational cyclists, where it probably isn't a big deal. If you are curious, and haven't tried a fat bike, go to a bike shop and just ride whatever size would fit you. Only then will you understand. Finally, it is a buyers market now. This may sound a bit self-serving, since I work at a shop, but right now fat bikes are in a state of over-supply, which means lowest possible pricing. Get one now if you are even slightly curious. You'll never get better deals than what are out there currently. 
 
You might think, "But wait a minute! All these points sound just like what you might do if you were buying a mountain bike!", and you would be spot on. A fat bike is a mountain bike with fatter tires. It goes further afield than a mountain bike does though. Think about cycling on snowy, icy streets on your mountain bike. Sure, you could do it, but it is sketchy, hard, and ultimately is not fun. You could try riding through that sand, mud, or deeper loose rock, but you usually ride around that stuff. You could try that deer trail. You could try that beach. But you don't, because your mountain bike is not the best at that, and you'll end up walking more than riding. Well, welcome to the power of fat bikes! Those scenarios and more are why a fat bike really is the ultimate all-terrain bicycle.

That said, there are a few points to consider about fat bikes which may be a negative for some of you out there. Fat bikes are not for everyone, and the following may be reasons they are not going to work for you.
  • Wider pedal stance: To make a fat bike drive train work around those really wide tires, the pedals are going to be at a wider stance- further outboard from the saddle- than a traditional bike's pedals. This may cause certain bio-mechanical issues for some folks. NOTE: There are a couple of fat bike alternatives to this issue available which I will discuss in later posts. 
  • Tires are expensive: Some may want to think about making different scenarios work with different tires on their fat bike, which is totally possible. But consider that fat bike tires are generally $100.00 and up. That might be a deal breaker for some folks.
  • Tire pressure is a Really Big Deal: You've got to get into paying attention to tire pressures if you are going to really squeeze the best experience out of a fat bike. This may be too much fuss for some folks. 
  • You are going to get really dirty: While this may sound weird to some, if you aren't in to getting really dirty, you may want to stay away from fat bikes. I've had my best ever experiences on a fat bike when I got really dirty. That's because I was doing things in the mud, dirt, wet snow, and sand that only a fat bike is good at. If that is a turn off for you, a fat bike's capabilities might be lost on you. Think about that........
All right. Look for my next post on fat bike prices and what to look for coming up on Sunday.

How To Choose Your First Fat Bike: What To Look For

Obviously- You should be looking for the fat tires to make sure you're getting a "fat bike".
When it comes to checking out what is available in fat bikes, things can get a bit overwhelming. There are different width tires, different "axle standards", and there are even front suspended and fully suspended models to choose from. There are steel frames, aluminum frames, and high zoot, carbon and titanium frames out there. What do you do?

Obviously, price can and will be a factor in your decision. Most folks are going to automatically exclude many choices immediately based upon prices. There are different choices to be made here and maybe some that are not fat bikes, so I am going to defer writing about this subject until my next post where I will discuss the various price points and choices within them.

What I am going to do now is list things that you might look for and why in terms of checking out fat bikes. Here's a bullet point list-
  • The Tires: Generally, "fat bikes" start out at 3.8"-4.0" tires and then wider. There are not a lot of "in between" tires until you get to 4.6" or so and then there are several really fat tire choices from there till you get to the current fattest size of just over 5 inches wide! Think of width in terms of XC skiing or snow shoeing. Wider is better for heavier folks. Most folks will be just fine on 3.8"-4.0" tires though. If you never see yourself doing anything off trail, or in deeper, unpacked snow, just stick with the 4.0"ers. 
  • The Frames: Steel, aluminum, or carbon? Titanium? Can you even feel the difference with those crazy fat tires? Yes. Yes you can, oddly enough. Steel and titanium are going to yield a different ride than aluminum, and carbon is another level altogether. For most folks, an aluminum or steel frame will end up being fine. What is most important is how the frame is equipped and its geometry, which will be covered in my post on prices and what you get for your money.
  • Suspension? Really? Yes......really. It makes sense when you think about it. A fat bike tire, while having some give, or suspension, of its own, does not have damping. That quality of controlled rebound is called damping. Think of a basket ball. You toss it down to the floor, and it bounces off the floor. Fat bike tires are similar. They want to bounce back off the trail. Tires not connected to the ground are not a good thing for control and stability at high speed. That's where suspension forks and rear suspension comes in. If you are going to pursue "real mountain biking" with fat tires, you probably should look into a suspended fat bike. Riding just for adventure and fun? Pass the suspension by, as it adds significantly to the costs up front and is higher maintenance. 

Fat bike full suspension bikes are great for trail riding at speed.
  • Weight: The cheaper you go, the heavier the bike, to an extent. Really inexpensive fat bikes, like those at the department stores, can weigh in excess of 50 pounds! Typically, a "bike shop" purchased fat bike will weigh somewhere in the 30's for weight. High end, carbon fiber framed fat bikes can weigh as little as 23-24 pounds, but will cost $3,000.00-$6,000.00 or more. Most folks will end up with something in the 30-ish pound weight category which isn't outlandish and is really easy to handle. 
  • Intentions and Use: You should examine your intentions and expectations. If you desire a bike that will go through the sloppiest mud, deepest snow, and be able to shake off any nasty tumbles, you'll need to spend more bucks to get that in a fat bike that will last. If you are thinking that you just want to get out and ride all year, maybe do some light trail riding and commuting/recreational rides in inclement conditions or on loose rock, sand, or snow, an entry level bike should do that. Choose wisely. 
  • Features: Likewise, features will either add to, or in their absence, take away from your overall experience. Rack mounts will be important for some, but not all fat bikes have them. Suspension, as mentioned above, can be added to some bikes, but not all. Tubeless tires are an option for many fat bikes, and you may want that, but not all are easily compatible with that type of tire set up. Kickstands.......really? Do we even need to say that you just do not put a kickstand on a fat bike unless it is one of those beach cruiser deals. Maybe then. Really, just don't expect a kickstand. 
  • Miscellaneous: Trek and one other company do 27.5" diameter based fat bikes. Don't worry too much about that. Those have a marginally different ride quality that won't translate to beginners. They are great bikes though. Then you have the axle standards. Again- If you are a beginner, and just getting into it, don't get all caught up in this. One caveat: Through axles are going to be a better deal than quick releases, but for the recreational cyclists, where it probably isn't a big deal. If you are curious, and haven't tried a fat bike, go to a bike shop and just ride whatever size would fit you. Only then will you understand. Finally, it is a buyers market now. This may sound a bit self-serving, since I work at a shop, but right now fat bikes are in a state of over-supply, which means lowest possible pricing. Get one now if you are even slightly curious. You'll never get better deals than what are out there currently. 
 
You might think, "But wait a minute! All these points sound just like what you might do if you were buying a mountain bike!", and you would be spot on. A fat bike is a mountain bike with fatter tires. It goes further afield than a mountain bike does though. Think about cycling on snowy, icy streets on your mountain bike. Sure, you could do it, but it is sketchy, hard, and ultimately is not fun. You could try riding through that sand, mud, or deeper loose rock, but you usually ride around that stuff. You could try that deer trail. You could try that beach. But you don't, because your mountain bike is not the best at that, and you'll end up walking more than riding. Well, welcome to the power of fat bikes! Those scenarios and more are why a fat bike really is the ultimate all-terrain bicycle.

That said, there are a few points to consider about fat bikes which may be a negative for some of you out there. Fat bikes are not for everyone, and the following may be reasons they are not going to work for you.
  • Wider pedal stance: To make a fat bike drive train work around those really wide tires, the pedals are going to be at a wider stance- further outboard from the saddle- than a traditional bike's pedals. This may cause certain bio-mechanical issues for some folks. NOTE: There are a couple of fat bike alternatives to this issue available which I will discuss in later posts. 
  • Tires are expensive: Some may want to think about making different scenarios work with different tires on their fat bike, which is totally possible. But consider that fat bike tires are generally $100.00 and up. That might be a deal breaker for some folks.
  • Tire pressure is a Really Big Deal: You've got to get into paying attention to tire pressures if you are going to really squeeze the best experience out of a fat bike. This may be too much fuss for some folks. 
  • You are going to get really dirty: While this may sound weird to some, if you aren't in to getting really dirty, you may want to stay away from fat bikes. I've had my best ever experiences on a fat bike when I got really dirty. That's because I was doing things in the mud, dirt, wet snow, and sand that only a fat bike is good at. If that is a turn off for you, a fat bike's capabilities might be lost on you. Think about that........
All right. Look for my next post on fat bike prices and what to look for coming up on Sunday.

Sunday, August 31, 2014

Mud, Snakes, And Sand

The longest mud/water hole, but certainly not the only one on my ride.
It rained quite a bit here on Friday, so I knew that any off roading would be done on the fat bike and that in the Green Belt, since I didn't want to tear up anybody's trail work. The Green Belt doesn't care, and the trail work, (if you can call what the Parks Department does in there "trail work") is basically trail work by barbarism. They essentially run an end loader through the woods and scrape and push anything that gets in the way out of the path. It's ruined what once was a winding single track path through there. Most folks that have been riding the Green Belt for only the past five years wouldn't know any better, but 20 years ago it was a much different ride through the woods on true single track. No more.......

I guess I should be happy I can ride through it at all, but I also feel that this could be a much more inviting trail than what it has been made into now. Obviously, it is much easier and cheaper to just run the end loader through, and anything else would cost more labor and expense in equipment for a city already strapped for cash. It is what it is.

Anyway, the ride..... I used the Snow Dog for mud duty. Does that make it the Mud Dog? I probably could have made an excellent case for the name change yesterday. Mud was slinging up into the air like cow dung off a manure spreader. (Non-farming types won't get that one, will they?) So much sticky black earth and sand. Good thing the drive train parts on the Snow dog are mostly worn out! If they had been newish I wouldn't have been too stoked about what they went through yesterday. It was particularly nasty there for much of the mid-section of my ride.

We got yer sand right here!

One of two snakes seen on the ride.
A bewildered fawn. It didn't quite know what to make of me after I stared down its mother. 
Winding path through a young woodland area. 
A border between some older woods and a mature prairie that could stand a burn. 
Checking out a bandit trail. It dead ended right before the lake.
The plan was to hit up most every trail on the Green Belt. The main trail hugs the Black Hawk Creek, but if you know where to turn off, there are a few diversions that the City has deigned to plow through with its big implement so we can all get through there. I wasn't on a quest to ride absolutely everything, although I probably rode 80% of it all, but as it was, it took about 2.5 hours. Granted, on a fat bike and going at a slower, measured pace due to much sand and mud, so on a good day with a 29"er, I probably could have ridden everything in 2.5 hours.

Going off on a rabbit chase down a dead end bandit trail didn't help, but a little bushwhacking is never a bad idea. In fact, I ran across three deer- two does and a fawn- that I had one of my "stare down" contests with. I'll explain.....

Many times when I see a deer I will stop and freeze. I won't move a muscle. Deer have a hard time actually seeing you if you do not move at all. They can still smell you, and they can see something, I think, but they cannot figure you out if you do not move. It kind of drives them nuts after a few minutes. One of the does today, for instance, started stamping, and then snorting. The other one, which seemed less agitated and was moving a bit more calmly, snorted and made an awful noise at one point. A vocalization of some sort. Finally, after at least 10 minutes, (and this whole time I am standing dead still), the two does figure that they cannot stick around anymore and the bolt off. Meanwhile, as the stare down was in progress, a fawn emerged. Being a young one, it wasn't versed in the deer ways, I suppose, since it stood there and watched me from a distance. When the two does left, it stood there blinking at me. I started moving and reached for my camera, but the fawn didn't scare off, and in fact, I had to wait a good five minutes more for it to finally saunter off in search of its mother.

Flowers on Black Hawk Creek
Bushwhacking near the end of the Green Belt just North of Hudson, Iowa.
A perfect day for a bicycle ride.
After the deer encounter I saw another red fox scampering into a fence row, (I had seen one straight away at the beginning of my ride as well), and I saw another young doe. Two grass snakes as well, sunning themselves out on the trail in two different locations. A banner day for wildlife in the Green Belt. Usually I don't see much of anything but an occasional deer in this area. That was fun to have experienced. I suppose the fact that there had been no other human traffic out before myself after the rains didn't hurt that from happening at all!

The Snow Dog's poor drive train bits were getting hammered, and by mid-ride I had to be careful not to put too much pressure on the pedals or I could get the chain ring to skip. So it was "spin-spin-spin" and keep the momentum up as much as possible. Fortunately the back third of the ride was not so sticky-gooey and the drive train behaved itself for the most part. That said, I have to switch out parts now. It will make cleaning the bike up easier with all the bits pulled off it. I have need to look at the bright side!

It was an excellent day out and I got in some great, steady miles on the fat bike. This will be good for getting me back up to speed on fitness and working up to being back on the game for Triple D in January. Yes......I believe I'll be pulling the trigger on that again. More on that in the coming months. But until then, I have some work to do if I am going to get back in shape again. Plus I have the Geezer Ride and Trans Iowa V11 to get figured out. Much to be done, and the year is running out. But all that aside, I had a great day on my first fat bike. I still really like that thing even though it isn't all the "latest and greatest" stuff, or some whiz-bang frame design in carbon fiber.  I'll just upgrade that thing and keep on truckin'.

Mud, Snakes, And Sand

The longest mud/water hole, but certainly not the only one on my ride.
It rained quite a bit here on Friday, so I knew that any off roading would be done on the fat bike and that in the Green Belt, since I didn't want to tear up anybody's trail work. The Green Belt doesn't care, and the trail work, (if you can call what the Parks Department does in there "trail work") is basically trail work by barbarism. They essentially run an end loader through the woods and scrape and push anything that gets in the way out of the path. It's ruined what once was a winding single track path through there. Most folks that have been riding the Green Belt for only the past five years wouldn't know any better, but 20 years ago it was a much different ride through the woods on true single track. No more.......

I guess I should be happy I can ride through it at all, but I also feel that this could be a much more inviting trail than what it has been made into now. Obviously, it is much easier and cheaper to just run the end loader through, and anything else would cost more labor and expense in equipment for a city already strapped for cash. It is what it is.

Anyway, the ride..... I used the Snow Dog for mud duty. Does that make it the Mud Dog? I probably could have made an excellent case for the name change yesterday. Mud was slinging up into the air like cow dung off a manure spreader. (Non-farming types won't get that one, will they?) So much sticky black earth and sand. Good thing the drive train parts on the Snow dog are mostly worn out! If they had been newish I wouldn't have been too stoked about what they went through yesterday. It was particularly nasty there for much of the mid-section of my ride.

We got yer sand right here!

One of two snakes seen on the ride.
A bewildered fawn. It didn't quite know what to make of me after I stared down its mother. 
Winding path through a young woodland area. 
A border between some older woods and a mature prairie that could stand a burn. 
Checking out a bandit trail. It dead ended right before the lake.
The plan was to hit up most every trail on the Green Belt. The main trail hugs the Black Hawk Creek, but if you know where to turn off, there are a few diversions that the City has deigned to plow through with its big implement so we can all get through there. I wasn't on a quest to ride absolutely everything, although I probably rode 80% of it all, but as it was, it took about 2.5 hours. Granted, on a fat bike and going at a slower, measured pace due to much sand and mud, so on a good day with a 29"er, I probably could have ridden everything in 2.5 hours.

Going off on a rabbit chase down a dead end bandit trail didn't help, but a little bushwhacking is never a bad idea. In fact, I ran across three deer- two does and a fawn- that I had one of my "stare down" contests with. I'll explain.....

Many times when I see a deer I will stop and freeze. I won't move a muscle. Deer have a hard time actually seeing you if you do not move at all. They can still smell you, and they can see something, I think, but they cannot figure you out if you do not move. It kind of drives them nuts after a few minutes. One of the does today, for instance, started stamping, and then snorting. The other one, which seemed less agitated and was moving a bit more calmly, snorted and made an awful noise at one point. A vocalization of some sort. Finally, after at least 10 minutes, (and this whole time I am standing dead still), the two does figure that they cannot stick around anymore and the bolt off. Meanwhile, as the stare down was in progress, a fawn emerged. Being a young one, it wasn't versed in the deer ways, I suppose, since it stood there and watched me from a distance. When the two does left, it stood there blinking at me. I started moving and reached for my camera, but the fawn didn't scare off, and in fact, I had to wait a good five minutes more for it to finally saunter off in search of its mother.

Flowers on Black Hawk Creek
Bushwhacking near the end of the Green Belt just North of Hudson, Iowa.
A perfect day for a bicycle ride.
After the deer encounter I saw another red fox scampering into a fence row, (I had seen one straight away at the beginning of my ride as well), and I saw another young doe. Two grass snakes as well, sunning themselves out on the trail in two different locations. A banner day for wildlife in the Green Belt. Usually I don't see much of anything but an occasional deer in this area. That was fun to have experienced. I suppose the fact that there had been no other human traffic out before myself after the rains didn't hurt that from happening at all!

The Snow Dog's poor drive train bits were getting hammered, and by mid-ride I had to be careful not to put too much pressure on the pedals or I could get the chain ring to skip. So it was "spin-spin-spin" and keep the momentum up as much as possible. Fortunately the back third of the ride was not so sticky-gooey and the drive train behaved itself for the most part. That said, I have to switch out parts now. It will make cleaning the bike up easier with all the bits pulled off it. I have need to look at the bright side!

It was an excellent day out and I got in some great, steady miles on the fat bike. This will be good for getting me back up to speed on fitness and working up to being back on the game for Triple D in January. Yes......I believe I'll be pulling the trigger on that again. More on that in the coming months. But until then, I have some work to do if I am going to get back in shape again. Plus I have the Geezer Ride and Trans Iowa V11 to get figured out. Much to be done, and the year is running out. But all that aside, I had a great day on my first fat bike. I still really like that thing even though it isn't all the "latest and greatest" stuff, or some whiz-bang frame design in carbon fiber.  I'll just upgrade that thing and keep on truckin'.